Theoretical/Operational Hourly Ride Capacity at WDW – FP+ analysis
Updated 7/31/2019
Comments welcome. This is a project I started to see if I could find a connection between FP+ tiers at some WDW parks and the number of FP+ available. Most attractions have a solid connection found in a wide variety of sources (including me spending a lot of time in lines counting riders per hour). Some of these attractions I haven’t been able to begin to guess. All of these numbers are based on peak park times with long open hours and no special parties or events. It also assumes all the ride vehicles are running (this rarely happens – especially September – February). For example, often in October – Hollywood Studios is only open 10 hours.
*** Attendance numbers for Hollywood Studios will jump to what when Galaxy’s Edge opens? 50,000? higher? That will change the number of FP+/guest.
THRC – Theoretical Hourly Ride Capacity
OHRC – Operational Hourly Ride Capacity (during a peak time)
FP+ allocation – is a pure guess at 70% based on observations.
% attendance – shows what percent of a daily population could actually book a FP+. So, with the Mine Train, only 24% of the people in a 60,000 population day could actually schedule a FP+ for this ride.
* Major Attraction # Not Yet Open capacity not included.
MK – 14 hour day |
THRC |
OHRC |
Daily Capacity |
FP+ allocation |
% attendance |
14 | 0.7 | 60000 | |||
*Big Thunder N.R. | 1500 | 1350 | 18900 | 13230 | 0.22 |
*Space Mountain | 2000 | 1800 | 25200 | 17640 | 0.29 |
*Splash Mountain | 1200 | 1080 | 15120 | 10584 | 0.18 |
*Peter Pan’s Flight | 800 | 720 | 10080 | 7056 | 0.11 |
Buzz Lightyear Ranger Spin | 800 | 720 | 10080 | 7056 | 0.11 |
*Haunted Mansion | 3200 | 2880 | 40320 | 28224 | 0.47 |
*Jungle Cruise | 1800 | 1620 | 22680 | 15876 | 0.26 |
*Pirates of Caribbean | 2600 | 2340 | 32760 | 22932 | 0.47 |
Barnstormer | 350 | 315 | 4410 | 3087 | 0.05 |
Winnie the Pooh | 850 | 765 | 10710 | 7497 | 0.12 |
Tomorrowland Speedway | 500 | 450 | 6300 | 4410 | 0.07 |
Under the Sea | 2200 | 1980 | 27720 | 19404 | 0.32 |
Dumbo the Flying Elepahnt | 1000 | 900 | 12600 | 8820 | 0.15 |
It’s a Small World | 3000 | 2700 | 37800 | 26460 | 0.44 |
Mad Tea Party | 850 | 765 | 10710 | 7497 | 0.12 |
Mickey’s Philhar Magic | 1500 | 1350 | 18900 | 13230 | 0.22 |
Magic Carpets of Aladdin | 550 | 495 | 6930 | 4851 | 0.08 |
*7 Dwarf Mine Train | 1650 | 1485 | 20790 | 14553 | 0.24 |
Monsters Inc | 1000 | 900 | 12600 | 8820 | 0.15 |
Enchanted Tales w Belle | 300 | 270 | 3780 | 2646 | 0.04 |
*Wishes | 3000 | 3000 | |||
Meet and Greets | ? | ? | ? | ? | |
#Tron | |||||
* Maj Attraction FP+/Guest | 133,095 | 2.2 | |||
MK Totals FP+ / Guest | 243,873 | 4.1 | |||
Epcot12 hr day |
THRC |
OHRC |
Daily Capacity |
FP+ allocation |
% attendance |
12 | 0.7 | 37800 | |||
*Soarin (3 theaters) | 2088 | 1879 | 22550 | 15785 | 0.41 |
*Test Track | 1200 | 1080 | 12960 | 9072 | 0.24 |
*Frozen Ever After | 1000 | 900 | 10800 | 7560 | 0.20 |
*Mission: Space | 1600 | 1440 | 17280 | 12096 | 0.32 |
Spaceship Earth | 2400 | 2160 | 25920 | 18144 | 0.48 |
Journey into Imagination | 2200 | 1980 | 23760 | 16632 | 0.44 |
The Seas with Nemo | 2200 | 1980 | 23760 | 16632 | 0.44 |
Living with the Land | 1600 | 1440 | 17280 | 12096 | 0.32 |
#Ratatouille | |||||
#Guardians of the Galaxy | |||||
Illuminations | |||||
* Maj Attraction FP+/Guest | 44,513 | 1.18 | |||
Epcot Totals FP+ / Guest | 108017 | 2.85 | |||
Hollywood Studios – 13 Hr Day |
THRC |
OHRC |
Daily Capacity |
FP+ allocation |
% attendance |
13 | 0.7 | 35000 | |||
*Rock n Roller Coaster | 1800 | 1620 | 21060 | 14742 | 0.42 |
*Tower of Terror | 2000 | 1800 | 23400 | 16380 | 0.47 |
*Toy Story Midway Mania (+3rd track) | 2400 | 2160 | 25920 | 18,144 | 0.52 |
*Star Tours | 1800 | 1620 | 21060 | 14,742 | 0.42 |
*Smuggler’s Run | 1800 | 1620 | 21060 | 14,742 | 0.42 |
#Mickey Minnie Runaway Railway (in production) | |||||
*Slinky Dog Ride | 1440 | 1296 | 16,848 | 11,793 | 0.34 |
#Rise of the Resistance | |||||
Disney Junior | 1500 | 1050 | 0.03 | ||
Fantasmic! | 10000 | 7000 | 0.20 | ||
Indiana Jones Stunt Spectacular | 10000 | 7000 | 0.20 | ||
Muppet 3D | 1692 | 900 | 11700 | 8190 | 0.39 |
Beauty & Beast Stage | 7500 | 5250 | |||
* Maj Attraction FP+/Guest | 90,543 | 2.6/guest | |||
DHS Totals FP+ / Guest | 119,033 | 3.4/guest | |||
Animal Kingdom – 12 Hour Day |
THRC |
OHRC |
Daily Capacity |
FP+ allocation |
Attendance |
12 | 0.7 | 35,000 | |||
*Expedition Everest | 1800 | 1620 | 19440 | 13608 | 0.39 |
Kali River Rapids | 1800 | 1620 | 19440 | 13608 | 0.39 |
*Kilimanjaro Safaris | 1400 | 1260 | 15120 | 10584 | 0.30 |
*Dinosaur | 2400 | 2160 | 25920 | 18144 | 0.53 |
Primeaval Whirl | 1000 | 900 | 10800 | 7560 | 0.22 |
It’s Tough to Be a Bug | 2000 | 1800 | 21600 | 15120 | 0.43 |
*Avatar: Flight of Passage | 1600 | 1440 | 17280 | 12096 | 0.34 |
*Na’vi River Journey | 1200 | 1080 | 12960 | 9072 | 0.26 |
Festival of Lion King | 1375 | 8250 | 5775 | 0.16 | |
Finding Nemo | 1500 | 6000 | 4200 | 0.12 | |
*Maj Attraction FP+/Guest | 63,504 | 1.8/guest | |||
Animal Kingdom Totals | 111,167 | 3.2/guest |
Smuggler’s Run – Capacity Implications
According to several sources online the Smuggler’s Run is supposed to have an 1800/hr theoretical rate. The ride lasts about 4.5 minutes and if they can move people in and out in 60 seconds – they can get 11 rides per hour per cockpit with 6 people in each pod. They are efficiently using the single rider line in Disneyland. Each hallway leads to 7 pods, so apparently, they have 4 sets of seven. I could see that many walkways when I experienced the ride. With 1800 riders per hour at Disney Hollywood Studios with hours running 9:00-10:00, that adds 20,000-22,000 riders a day. This will seriously help the shortage of Fastpasses at the studios. There will most likely be tiers on the two Star Wars rides whenever they open, but it will be interesting to see if the other rides will have their tiers removed – much like Disney’s Animal Kingdom, where only the two Pandora rides are tiered. Using the single rider line during a 55 minute standby posted time, I was able to walk on and join a crew in less than 5 minutes. You miss the queue and backstory, but it’s fast.
I don’t think this ride is much better than Mission Space. And I don’t think it is better than Star tours. Other than the amazing theming, its not really worth multiple rides. The pilots really don’t control much. The engineer is just like Mission Space – fake buttons. The gunners push a button, but there is no skill involved. There is some kind of point system being calculated, but I really don’t know that anyone cared in my rides. Now, if they change the scenarios with multiple permutations like Star Tours – this ride would be out of of this world!
DLR: Smuggler’s Run – Queue Fail
In a previous post, I gushed about the theming of Galaxy’s Edge. But the Millennium Falcon ride has some serious problems and odd, odd management. First, they didn’t build a long enough standby queue – so they had to open up a backlot area for people to walk on black lines made from electrical tape to wander back and forth on a black top with little to no shade. Totally loses the appeal. Second, they built two lines (one for the fastpass or special crews), but they were not using this line at all for any reason. So, all that space was wasted. You would think, they could have creatively filled both. In the mornings at Disneyland, they funnel everyone through the back entrance by Splash Mountain and make everyone line up nicely, and then let people into the ride area. So, that is weird too. With three entrances to the Galaxy’s edge, why not just let people wander in. It’s not like WDW and the made dash run to Toy Story Midway Mania in its prime. After everyone got into the queue, the standby time was only about 55 minutes – much less than the Flight of Passage craze. In the evening, the standby line showed 45 minutes but ended up only being about 22 minutes. If you don’t have to go through the back parking lot, the line queue is clever and filled with interesting things to see. The most impressive item being the 100 ft Millennium Falcon in the main viewing area.
In A Galaxy Far, Far Away: Mission Accomplished
People will complain about the lack of things to do in this land. Currently, there is only one mediocre ride available: Millennium Falcon: Smuggler’s Run. In Disneyland, one month after opening – with no fastpasses we waited 22 minutes in standby for this ride. Even though the ride is not much more than Mission Space in Epcot, the theming is fantastic. The Rise of the Resistance will open up sometime next year. And that is all the rides. BUT! BUT! BUT! As a Star Wars fan (not obsessed but engaged), I think Disney successfully managed to create a Star Wars world somewhere distant in the galaxy for me to interact with and experience. I loved every little detail on every backstage area, the bathrooms, the blue milk stand, the miscellaneous pod racer or droid just scattered about. Oga’s Cantina was outrageously expensive, but I loved the atmosphere. The same day reservation system works well too. Rey and Chewbacca were interacting with the crowds as the menacing Storm Troopers kept order. I spent four days in the Disneyland Resort – I visited the Galaxy’s edge in the morning at open (bad idea it is backed up then), an hour after opening (much better), in the afternoon and the evening. It is gorgeous at night, but I like the daytime too to see all the details.
I know the WDW scenario is going to be so much crazier, with massive crowds, long lines and crabby people. I will wait a few years to visit that location. For now the Disneyland version is manageable and worth the journey.
Strange Practices by Management at Disney Dining Locations
I have noticed a trend at empty restaurants in Walt Disney World. They are increasingly willing to turn people away who do not have reservations. After they enforced a credit card guarantee that only allows cancelling 24 hours in advance or you incur a $10.00 fee per person if you decide not to go to the restaurant, I stopped making reservations and rely on walking up. This guarantee practice may be necessary for character meals or the popular venues in busy times, it is not good business for empty locations. I don’t understand why they frown upon walk-ups in a resort? Here are two examples from our most recent trip.
We were sitting in Old Key West waiting for our room at 9:30 am and Olivia’s was nearly empty. So, I jumped up and walked inside to the host, and asked if we could have a table on the patio to enjoy some breakfast and bloody marys. She asked if we had a reservation, (which we didn’t) then said “it will be at least a half hour.” I discussed this with her, and asked her to give me a reason for this. She had no answer other than it would be a half hour. If I went on the app to make a reservation, I could get one in a half hour. Strange. My parting comment to the host, “So you are turning away four bloody marys and breakfast in an empty restaurant?” And she said, “I can take care of you in a half hour or you can go to the bar when it opens at 11:00.” The next morning I talked to the manager of the restaurant and explained our conversation, and he said he had no idea why she behaved that way, they do not have a policy for this. Except it happened to me in 2017 also. Twice! So there is some kind of training taking place.
As you can see in the photos above we walked up to Spice Road Table at 11:30 am and asked to sit on the terrace to enjoy a few small plates and cocktails. Of course they asked if we had a reservation, (we did not of course) then suggested that we stand at the full service bar. What the hell? There was one couple inside and the terrace was completely empty (as it usually is). I suggested that they let us sit on the terrace, and they acquiesced. But why the antagonism?
Not quite the same situation, but at the new Geyser Point bar and restaurant at Wilderness lodge we walked up to vacant restaurant at about 2:00 pm. We grabbed some comfortable chairs and starting looking for cocktails. The host immediately came over and chastised us for skipping the hostess stand. It’s an open air building with lots of entrances. We didn’t notice the small “see host stand for seating” sign. No problem, I just don’t understand the aggressiveness at nearly empty restaurants.
We do not have this problem at lounges like the Brown Derby Lounge and Tutto Gusto. They love to see us walk up and stay awhile. The Duck Sliders and Blood Orange Cocktails are delicious. At Tutto Gusto we drink $14.00 Moretti’s and have overpriced cheese plates. But they want our business, so we oblige.
And one place you do need a reservation is California Grill during fireworks. You can have mine, because I am wore out by the experience. Once again the hosts seem crabby. I can understand having to turn away so many people all the time from the fireworks, but it shouldn’t be transferred to those that have booked reservations.
Disney Dining is a tricky business, they seem to be making unnecessarily difficult to get a table.
Here are the places that I have found to be welcoming of walkups: Narcoossee’s, Tokyo Dining, Marrakesh, Nine Dragons, Skipper Canteen (sometimes), Tiffins, Yak n Yeti, Sanaa, The Wave (extremely welcoming), ESPN, Swan and Dolphin locations.
Those that I have found to be obstructionists during even slow times ranked from most infuriating to moderately rude: La Hacienda, Kona, Olivia’s, Grand Floridian Cafe, Tony’s, Jiko, and Spice Road Table.
The Magic is Subtle Sometimes
A quick five day trip netted these photos. My favorite 12 out of 379 photos taken.
The Edison – Steampunk
We ended our five day WDW excursion with a visit to the Edison in Disney Springs. During lunch the place was wide open. It was a great place to escape the heat and wander through the enormous place. The Steampunk decor gave us plenty to look at and talk about during lunch.
Chocolate crusted key lime pie
In 2008 the family went to Key West, but we forgot to try the Key Lime Pie. So when we got back we started planning on our next adventure in WDW – the great Key Lime Pie adventure. In 2009 we visited twice that summer and during the trips we tasted every key lime pie on property. The Chocolate Crusted Key Lime from the Grand Floridian Cafe had a perfect score. So we continued to visit the cafe every trip for the pie. Along the way we shared it with many friends.
Then in 2015 a new chef showed up and promptly took it off the menu. We were stunned and abandoned the Grand Floridian Cafe.
So last week I wrote a letter to guest services to request a pie as a surprise for our group, and today it all worked out. The magic of Pie.
The Future of the World Showcase
With the recent announcements about a new Spaced Themed restaurant by Mission Space and the addition of an E-ticket Guardians of the Galaxy ride probably where Universe of Energy exists right now. The Imagineer hinted that even more is coming to World Showcase in the form of additional attractions connecting the Disney movies to the Nation Pavilions. Using Frozen Ever After and the Arendelle expansion as a model, Disney plans on adding the Disneyland Paris Ratatouille ride to the vacant lot next to France. They will be updating the China 360 movie, and they hinted at more. The full details and 9 minute video announcement here…D23 2017 Announcements
What additions make the most sense?
- The Africa section is equivalent to three pavilions, so that would be easiest place to build and create something new. This might be too much of an overhaul.
- The easiest solution would be to add “Whole New World” Jasmine and Aladdin ride in the vacant lot between Japan and Morocco. The little meet and greet area in the back of the Morocco stores doesn’t really accommodate the Jasmine/Aladdin demand.
- Then there is the opening between Germany and Italy. From a movie standpoint – it would make sense to put a Pinocchio ride (Italy) or Tangled (Germany) and of course Snow White would be simple.
- My favorite option would be to add the Disneyland’s Alice and Wonderland to the United Kingdom area.
Let’s hope they keep expanding…
WDW in three photos
There are places to go at WDW to avoid the madness and crowds. Here are three of them. Being in Epcot at 11:00 ready to eat is one of the most relaxing parts of my trips. The ferries provide me endless entertainment. It’s a Small World reminds of what made WDW special. Innovation.